Fahrenheit and Fahrenhype 9/11

Published on September 14, 2004 By ShoZan In Politics

Many KNOW about the release of Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11 on DVD on Oct. 5th.

Few KNOW about the release of Fahrenhype 9/11, the rebuttal to Fahrenheit 9/11 and Michael Moore on DVD on Oct. 5th.

So if you really want to be an indenpendant thinker instead of mindless automaton, watch both, and compare, than see which one was true, but don't stick to one because it just supports your party...anyways before I get too deep, just watch both with an OPEN MIND, mind you, Open not closed, OPEN, OPEN, OPEN, than see for the REAL truth for what it is.

Link to Fahrenhype 9/11, has a trailer in Quicktime and Windows Media

Link Mikey's site with info on his 911 film.

Also in Fahrenhype 9/11, Sgt. Peter Damon and Sarasota School Principal Tose-Rigell speak out about their appearances in Mikey's movie.

As for Mikey's weight problem, I as being a former United States Army Specialist on Active Duty, have this to say to him:

"Before you continue to save other people by showing the "truth", you should first save yourself from an problem that could cause you to suffer from ailments that go along with that weight, lose weight, get healthy, than continue on, that is all."

Comments (Page 3)

messybuu

on Sep 14, 2004

Once again , I don't think Moore said "all" Americans are stupid. But he's right , we are. We put up with the worst of everything and call it the best.

Everything is made in China , and we rush to the stores to buy it. We are hooked on fast food and TV and we fight all the time.

The opinion of much of the World is that we are worse than stupid - we are stupid AND lazy.

Who did Moore specify then when he called Americans stupid?

Of course we're stupid to the rest of the world, just like how France is full of smelly arrogant perverts to us. Therefore, it must be true that France is full of smelly arrogant perverts since that's how we view them. Brits have bad dental hygiene too because we think they do and Canadians say "eh" all the time.

ShoZan

on Sep 14, 2004

we are stupid AND lazy.

Speak for yourself there, I try to excercise as much as possible, and I am going to College for a Bachelor's Degree in English Linguistics, no laziness here.

What? I need examples here, to know what I consider the best when it is actually the worst, and don't point out Bush, because I don't like Bush and I don't like Kerry, because neither are the ideal candidate for myself a true Centrist Independent, always the best course of action over the party's ideas.

Chemicalkinetics

on Sep 14, 2004

I am for Fahrenheit 9/11. Why? Because it did Kerry more harm than good. Because of his film, people realized that extreme left lies and lies. Saddam Iraq is a peaceful country? Com'on. 5000 Iraqian children die every MONTH under Saddam according to UN. It is like a genocide country. Oh yes, Moore complains about Bush pulling resources from Afghanistan to Iraq therefore missed the opporunity to capture bin Laden. First, that is not truthful. Second, didn't Moore oppose the Afghan War and called bin Laden innocent? So what do he care if we take resource away from capturing an innocent person.

ShoZan

on Sep 14, 2004

The truth seems to bother you. Tim McVeigh was an Army man AND a mass murderer. Whether you believe it or not , there are gung ho men and women who go to war just to kill. That doesn't make them heros in my book.

Now the ones who go and fight, and sometimes give their lives - they are heroes in a way. But you can't deny it - McVeigh was a mass murderer.

If censorship is your thing , very unAmerican - then fine - it says more about you than anything.

Yes but I thought with that remark alone you were saying that just because he was an Army Man he was bad. Not to mention it also looked like that you made the connection that all Army Men are Mass Murders simply because they are in the Army, and that I find very UnArmy and I hate that, considering I am Pro-Army myself.

Now as for Timmy, he was tried and convicted, put to death as well, but his military service and the Army is not in question, the man is.

RATM4EVA

on Sep 14, 2004

Mass murderer.

That's going too far. I don't agree with the war in Iraq and the sanctions, but you can't blame the troops for it. I blame the man at the top.

To me, Michael Moore did a great thing in saying what many of us on the left have been saying for a long time, which is why his movie was so refreshing. I like the fact that people are out debating the stuff in the movie, but it does help to see the movie.

RATM4EVA

on Sep 14, 2004

The only thing I know about Sgt. Peter Damon, was that he was a US Army Soldier who lost both of his arms.

Oh! I remember him. He was pretty much talking about how he lost his limbs.

I thought for a second it was the marine who said he would rather get arrested than to go fight other poor people in Iraq. That would've been bad.

messybuu

on Sep 14, 2004

Everything is made in China , and we rush to the stores to buy it. We are hooked on fast food and TV and we fight all the time.

I think what's also funny about this statement is that in other countries, people often get into huge fights over a freakin' sport, are consumers too (Sony and the like exist in other countries too, including Japan), and import stuff.

Of course, America will always look bad when it's the only country you ever read about.

ShoZan

on Sep 14, 2004

He could have been a Marine or Air Force serviceman, not sure, can't find any exact info pinning down what branch he was in, all it says is he was a Aircraft Mechanic, which could be any service, since they all have Aircraft, but Sgt turns down the notion that he might have been Navy because Sgt is not a title used in the Navy.

Daiwa

on Sep 14, 2004

Don't you find it interesting that someone with the handle "liveletlive" is such a sanctimonious jerk? I would have expected someone soothing, reasonable and tolerant of others' views. Just shows you what a distorted image some of us have of ourselves.

Cheers,
Daiwa

Texas Wahine

on Sep 14, 2004

ShoZan: Thanks for sharing that bit about you and your military experience.

I was tired of studying engineering fields altogether in College, and was pretty much burnt out, so I was looking at joining the military

It was much the same start for my husband. We were both in school, and he said he decided he was tired of "spinning his wheels." Although it's not always great, I think his joining the Army has been a good thing for our family.

and heard about the Warrant Officer Flight Training Program (Helicopter Pilot), and read that I only needed to be a High School Grad, able to pass a Flight Physical, able to score 90 or better on the Army Flight Aptitude Skills Test, and so high on the ASVAB, this was in June 2001 when I first started looking into and applying

Very impressive.

Began Basic Training first week of December, I guess it could be said my downfall to my military career struck in the second week, when I injured my back during training, but continued on, not caring if I caused permanent damage, I was determined, though at some times it didn't quite show, to get through Basic and Become a Helicopter Pilot. I graduated at Fort Sill from Basic Training on Feb. 21, shipped out to Fort Rucker for Warrant Officer School on Feb. 23, turned 21 on Feb. 24, my birthday, and went through the process to enter the Warrant Officer School.

Wow. That's also impressive.

but as my luck would have it, orders came down that sent me to Fort Benning for Infantry Training in July 2002.

I am amazed at people who willingly choose infantry. I wouldn't want my husband doing it, but somebody's got to, right?

Now for what I did while I was still in service but could not be an infantryman, well Drill Sergeants, First Sergeant, and the Company Commander had me come into the Operations Room, and initially I worked with the Operations NCO alias Training Room NCO who are responsible for not only the Trainee's records, but make sure that the soldiers who do graduate have their packet together, which includes training certificates, plane tickets, and other things, etc.

Although I'm sure that's not what you had envisioned yourself doing, it is important and vital nonetheless.

That's about it, I think I put all the info there, if you have a question about it, I will try to answer it to the best of my knowledge.

Thank you for taking the time to share that with me. Did you like Ft. Benning?

ShoZan

on Sep 14, 2004

Did you like Ft. Benning?

Yes and no, I liked the people, but hated the location, it's freaking' Hot and Sweaty, first time you step outside you just start sweating, or after a rain you just feel like the air itself is weighted and hot, but I loved it for the people I met both Military and not, so once you get used to the heat and humidity, it's not such a bad place, though there are bad sections of Columbus, and not a whole lot of things to do, but still enough to keep one occupied, plus Atlanta is not that far away.

Of course, Air Force Bases seem to always be in prime locations, like forget the name, but Air Force Base right next to Panama City, Florida, which Panama City isn’t completely great, but the beaches and view on that base was a 'to die for' location, not to mention the beaches on the base were well maintained, and no weeds in the shallow parts of the beach, not to mention no rocks either, than again it was the Air Force after all. Air Force Bases were built later and therefore put in some good spots, but there are also ones in bad spots.

Looking back, Fort Benning could have been worse it could have been Fort Polk that is out in the Swamps.

Though if you go to Fort Benning you will realize that Sandhill is appropriately named, after all it's always 10 degrees hotter on Sandhill than the rest of the base, probably due to the fact of the sand.

liveletlive

on Sep 15, 2004

Well for myself, Mikey’s derogatory remarks saying all Americans were stupid was uncalled for and unjustified, as for being a HERO, only a Man or Woman in Uniform and their families, will ever be a HERO in my eyes.

I have had 10 friends who were in the Military. None were ever put in harms way. 9 were inlisted, and 1 was a career Army man. Before he retired, he spent time on a ship,
but most of the time at a desk. He never saw combat , as did none of the others.

Still think he's a hero ? He ( and they don't ) . They took a job for an education , and one took a job to retire as an Army man. While I appreciate that they worked at a job for 4
to 6 years, or 25 years, they are not heroes. They simply signed up for a job. All of them are Gay. Still think they are heroes?

Now, those who see battle and those who die are heroes in a way, in my opinion. We tend to throw the word "hero" alot. Matt Damon and Vin Deisel are called " action heroes " , as are some pro wrestlers and even a Governator.

And Messy :

Brittney Spears has said in interviews that she supports Bush.

liveletlive

on Sep 15, 2004

Shozan ;

I can't imagine how you got THAT from my post. The Military does an unbelieveable service to our Country. You need to separate someone's dislike of the war for
the supposed lack of support.

When you finally see Farenheit 9/11 , you will see what I mean. Moore doesn't need to let his words speak - everyone else does it for him.
Listen to the woman from Flint at first , and then later. Love the warrior , despise the war. I always pray for peace, so that no more of our people ( and the Country we are
at war with 's people ) will die.

So , since Bush is no war hero , and Kerry is , I assume you'll vote for Kerry?

liveletlive

on Sep 15, 2004

If you could see the post that was deleted, you might understand. But I doubt it - some people call good honest people like me names anyway.

I just laugh - as if you know me - ha! I have to listen and understand everyone's views - but mine - NOOOOO , you can't handle the truth.

drmiler

on Sep 15, 2004

Reply #44 By: liveletlive - 9/15/2004 12:53:36 AM
Don't you find it interesting that someone with the handle "liveletlive" is such a sanctimonious jerk? I would have expected someone soothing, reasonable and tolerant of others' views. Just shows you what a distorted image some of us have of ourselves.

If you could see the post that was deleted, you might understand. But I doubt it - some people call good honest people like me names anyway.

I just laugh - as if you know me - ha! I have to listen and understand everyone's views - but mine - NOOOOO , you can't handle the truth.

It's not that we can't handle the "truth"? It's ALL in the presentation (which you need to work on) Now lets see how well "you" handle the truth!

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