Pope: "I said no such thing about Kerry!!"

Excommunication of the Kerry one

Published on October 19, 2004 By Grim Xiozan In Politics

I was laughing my arse off.

Check it out and weep or laugh: Link

Hmm, looks like somebody will not be a Roman Catholic anymore by suffering the worse penalty one can suffer EXCOMMUNICATION.

Sorry for the short post but I can't think of anything else to type on the subject.

UPDATE: Vatican denies it responded to lawyer seeking Kerry's excommunication [LINK]

LATER!
Pope Grim Xaul II

Comments (Page 2)

Myrrander

on Oct 19, 2004

Popes haven't been interesting since Rodrigo Borgia -- now THERE was a guy worth talking about.

T_Bone4Justice

on Oct 19, 2004

dabe, I agree with your point as well. I don't like it when religion and politics are in bed together whether it be foreign or domestic. I was just underscoring a point that the Vatican and the Pope are foreign entities that have no place in trying to influence the outcome of our elections. Especially when you have some Catholic bishops running around telling people it is a "sin" to vote for Kerry. Not only is this tactic disgusting...it may actually have violated election laws thereby jeaprodizing the Catholic Church's "tax free" status for overtly supporting and/or overtly being against a particular political candidate. We have laws regarding religious institutions and their participation in politics....I would be interested to see if anyone calls them on it.

drmiler

on Oct 19, 2004

Reply #18 By: T_Bone4Justice - 10/19/2004 10:36:12 AM
dabe, I agree with your point as well. I don't like it when religion and politics are in bed together whether it be foreign or domestic. I was just underscoring a point that the Vatican and the Pope are foreign entities that have no place in trying to influence the outcome of our elections. Especially when you have some Catholic bishops running around telling people it is a "sin" to vote for Kerry. Not only is this tactic disgusting...it may actually have violated election laws thereby jeaprodizing the Catholic Church's "tax free" status for overtly supporting and/or overtly being against a particular political candidate. We have laws regarding religious institutions and their participation in politics....I would be interested to see if anyone calls them on it.

Sorry but we've had this discussion before. In no way is the catholic church violating ANY US law! They are not saying don't vote for Kerry (highly illegal), they are saying that politicans in office who support abortion and the death penalty are commiting a major sin (not against the law)!

Dysmas

on Oct 19, 2004

Wow. I can say that I disagree with most of the responses on this thread vehemently.
There is so much for me to comment on there is no way I can quote everyone so I will take it one at a time, ( greywar!! gimme a break for once you clown;p )
historyishere: You know, it might just be me... but I didn't really hear about all those priests that molested children getting excommunicated.... I could be wrong about that, but honestly, if they haven't, well I think the Vatican has to re-examine its priorities...

The Priests who were found GUILTY of child sexual abuse were taken out of the ministry, removed from all duties as a Priest, and so on. Some WERE excommunicated but the Catholic Church indeed Christianity in general is about mercy and forgivness. Thats not saying what happend was in anyway justified in fact its one of the most deplorabel things anyone, espically a Priest, can do.

T Bone4justice:
I agree that the Vatican should absolutly have come down very, very hard on Priests found guilty and the fact that the Church in the US covered it up for so long was, and is, a huge mistake and scandalises the Church about as much as it can be. Man it was so wrong for the cover up to happen!
I do not agree that the Pope is trying to sway public opinion in anyway whatsoever. He is merely saying that Kerry, as an individual, is not adhering to the Faith in which he professes. Neiter the Pope nor the American Conference of Catholic Bishops have EVER backed a political canadatie.

dabe:
As i've stated in other threads, a President or any elected offical, has the DUTY to uphold the law of the land, but he or she would also have the DUTY to stand firm in their beliefs. A president can't change the law but he dosen't need to officaly back it either. Bush declared that Stem Cell Research was illegal, a decision that can be overturned, due largly because of his beliefs. But that dosent mean he "infused" his faith on Americans, he simply stood up for what he thoght was right. If a new president wishes he could overturn that decision. Its happened in the past. Bush overturned Clinton's promise to allow US Military Members from being held accountable at a Wold Court.
Bush CANT be excommunicated he is not a Catholic, thats it. And Christianity and most other mainstream religions, it is acceptable, not ok, for people to die in self defense or a "just war" bear in mind that the Pope did not back Operation Iraqi Freedom and if he would have come out and declared it an "unjust" war I would have simply not participated regardless of the consequences. Im a soldier yes, a patriot yes, but im a praticing Catholic first. The vatican as a city state dosent mean all that much to me, but the Pope, in spiritual matters does.

myrrander: Well the Pope matters to me and to all real, praticing, Catholics and to most other Nations. The Chruch has donated vast sums of money, for a small city state, to various charities and the Pope has helped resolve many internationl disputes. His concern is peace for the world and any attmept at all to check those facts will prove my point.

drimmler: I tend to agree with your responses.

To all: Obviously im a Catholic and will defend my Church the best that I can but by no means am I an expert on that topic, but with a littel reasearch I usually counter an argument. I don't normally allow my Religion to influence my political decisions but for the most part, that which my Church teaches I adhere to. I am pro-life, against the death penalty ( well sort of) against Stem Cell Research, but not only because my Church is, because I PERSONNALY belive in these things.
I don't mind dissent at all and actually like discussing, debating, or even "arguing" about my faith. It helps me know why I belive the way I do. Im not a closed minded "Jesus Freak", although that phrase disturbs me. Im non judmental to the best of my ability and will concide valid points. But again, I will defend my beliefs and if you think of that objectivly its actually a good thing. If some one won't stand up for what they believe in, then they are a coward and don't really belive anyway.....just like Sen Kerry.

Grim Xiozan

on Oct 19, 2004

UH OH, Vatican says today they said no such thing to the lawyer.

Vatican denies it responded to lawyer seeking Kerry's excommunication [LINK]

drmiler

on Oct 19, 2004

Reply #20 By: Dysmas - 10/19/2004 11:48:49 AM

Bush declared that Stem Cell Research was illegal

He did not declare stem cell research illegal. They are still allowed to experiment with the 22 lines that they have available. He has also funded said research to the tune of over 20 millon. He's is against partial-birth abortions (as am I). Basically he doesn't want them to have abortins to collect more stem cells. Other than this I can honestly say I agree with you.

Dysmas

on Oct 19, 2004

drimiler:
Point taken, I stand corrected.

Myrrander

on Oct 19, 2004

myrrander: Well the Pope matters to me and to all real, praticing, Catholics and to most other Nations. The Chruch has donated vast sums of money, for a small city state, to various charities and the Pope has helped resolve many internationl disputes. His concern is peace for the world and any attmept at all to check those facts will prove my point.

But you have to admit that Rodrigo Borgia (Alexander VI) was a damn sight more interesting than John Paul II.

what's a "real, practicing Catholic?" I like it when Christians try to define what a "real" one of whatever flavor they are. It's amusing.

drmiler

on Oct 19, 2004

Reply #24 By: Myrrander - 10/19/2004 8:11:57 PM
myrrander: Well the Pope matters to me and to all real, praticing, Catholics and to most other Nations. The Chruch has donated vast sums of money, for a small city state, to various charities and the Pope has helped resolve many internationl disputes. His concern is peace for the world and any attmept at all to check those facts will prove my point.

But you have to admit that Rodrigo Borgia (Alexander VI) was a damn sight more interesting than John Paul II.

what's a "real, practicing Catholic?" I like it when Christians try to define what a "real" one of whatever flavor they are. It's amusing.

You want a *perfect* example? I can't tell you what is but I can tell you what ain't! John Kerry is a perfect example of ain't! He believes in abortion which is against church doctrine. Ergo not a practicing catholic or he's a wanna-be. I'm a Lutheran so without my brother-in-law arond to help I'm kinda lost. He's a catholic.

Myrrander

on Oct 19, 2004

Ah, drmiler, c'mon, that's a typical response...

historyishere

on Oct 19, 2004

good grief ill be glad when this election is over.

I'll drink to that!

drmiler

on Oct 19, 2004

Reply #26 By: Myrrander - 10/19/2004 9:30:31 PM
Ah, drmiler, c'mon, that's a typical response...

It may be typical but you know it's the truth. There's no arguement to that one!

apdelong31

on Oct 19, 2004

good grief ill be glad when this election is over.

I'll drink to that!

Count me in.

Dysmas

on Oct 19, 2004

So "what is a real praticing Catholic?" I almost decided not to answer such a shallow comment as the answer is so painfully obvious but ill put it as simply as I can. (indeed the answer is simple anyway)
A real, praticing Catholic is just that. A practicing Catholic. Obviously one who pratices what they believe in and, as in the case of ANY religious adherants,what they belive in, and base thier actions on, is what thier Faith proposes to be the truth. I don't care what religion one belongs to, one should never say "Im a Christian, Muslim, Jew, Buddist etc" without actualy doing what thier faith tells them they should do. If they dont how in the world can one claim to be a member of any Church or religious community.
If you believe in something DO it. If you don't or don't care then don't. But don't say you believe in this or that and take no moral stance or action upon it.

Dr Guy

on Oct 20, 2004

While the site may be a hoax the fact still remains that the church CAN excommunicate you! I know this for fact. That is unless you want to tell my brother-in-law that he has not been excommunicated and that the letter he recieved stating so was false!

I cannot say your brother did not receive a letter, but I do maintain that he was not excommunicated. If you can type the exact contents of the letter, that would help. But I suspect it says "through your actions, you have excommunicated yourslef" or something to that affect.

That in itself is wrong, but some conservative Bishops are known to contemplate these type of actions.

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