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Published on October 17, 2004 By Grim Xiozan In Politics
Liberty, what means this liberty? What is the definition of liberty?

Webster defines it as:
Link to Webster Definition
    Main Entry: lib·er·ty
    Pronunciation: 'li-b&r-tE
    Function: noun
    Inflected Form(s): plural -ties
    Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French liberté, from Latin libertat-, libertas, from liber free -- more at LIBERAL
    1 : the quality or state of being free: a : the power to do as one pleases b : freedom from physical restraint c : freedom from arbitrary or despotic
        control d : the positive enjoyment of various social, political, or economic rights and privileges e : the power of choice
    synonym see FREEDOM

So what does this mean to you and to me?

    It means you and I should possess the freedom of choice to do whatever we want in our own lives even IF it includes harming ourselves. Though this does not mean that we should harm others because if we did that we would be encroaching on someone else's liberty. That you and I share rights that are even protected by the Government (or is it?). Should I support your way of choice even when I don't agree with it? No, but an a case against this is Abortion (Government Funds Abortion!), Corporate Welfare (pays for Corporations to advertise overseas), welfare (though I think we can do better than just doling out money to those in need), and several other issues. Why is Government this way? Who gave them the power? Which Major Political Party is responsible?
    Government has gotten this way by supporting the ideas and political agendas that people should depend on the Government for everything, from what they eat, to how they spend their money, etc. As for who gave them the power look no further than you and I, we gave them the power by voting in politicians who want to keep us under control and dependent on government. Which political party is responsible, some would say Democrats, others would say Republicans, I would say it takes two to tango and both are equally responsible for this.

So why should I listen to you, Grim X?

    Don't! You should not listen to me or anybody on how to make your own choices. Do you really need a Paternal Government caring for your life? Did you not decide to get through life on your own?
    Instead of having a Mommy or Daddy Government caring for you instead live your own life! The Government caring and taking care of you telling you how to live your life is like me telling you what to do, but yet you like the Government for being a parent. What is the difference? Nothing that is what!

Individual Rights and the TRUE American Way

    With Liberty intact we can achieve the TRUE American Way but two major political parties and several third parties don't want that, instead they want bigger government that means more taxes to pay for the more spending done by the larger government.  That is not the American Way, because the bigger government leads to more regulations over each individual's life limiting their liberty to what the government decides. So if you need a mommy or daddy government to tell you how to wipe your ass and clean your nose, than by all means get out of America NOW!!
    Those who have died fighting, have fought for or are still fighting for American Liberty do it because they don't need a Mommy/Daddy telling them how to run their lives, they do it so they have the Freedom to do whatever they want with THEIR OWN LIVES! Are they wrong for doing this? Hell no, they are never wrong for doing this those who are against it are the ones who are wrong and should leave this country NOW!!
    America was founded on the principle of Liberty and every soldier/citizen who has fought for or died for that cause do it because they fight for Liberty but yet we have two Major Political Parties and several Third Parties that spit on their sacrifice by taking away the Liberty of these individuals. That is never right no matter how you try to justify it, whether it be from the Liberals or Conservatives it is never right and always wrong PERIOD!

If we do not take action now expect your and my liberties to be curtailed for further control and dependence on the Government!!

    So far the only Political Party that I have looked at that supports this view on Liberty wholeheartedly is NOT the Democrats, Republicans, Green, Socialist, but the Libertarian Party!!  To side with other parties don't support the view of Liberty first and Government second is to say you don't like Liberty, right?

I can understand a difference in opinion and some officials in a Party don't represent their whole party, case in point Kerry and Bush.

For those of you who love/support Kerry: Tell me how or what Kerry is doing to protect the cause of Liberty!! Don't tell me anything about how Bush is going against Liberty, only tell me about Kerry.

For those of you who love/support Bush: Tell me how or what Bush is doing to protect the cause of Liberty!! Don't tell me anything about how Kerry is going against Liberty, only tell me about Bush.

I dare you to respond or are you a chicken? Or do you not know how your candidate is defending the cause of Liberty?

Sincerely,
Erik D. Stebbins, Former SPC in the United States Army Active Duty (Nov 2001-Feb 2004) and Defender of Liberty
JU nickname: Grim Xiozan

 

Some Good Philosophical Essays:


Lifeboat Ethics: the Case Against Helping the Poor by Garrett Hardin, Psychology Today, September 1974 - Link to Essay by Hardin [LINK]
I recommend Hardin's essay be read because Hardin does bring up valid points. 

Ayn Rand Institute Site [LINK] - This section in particular deals with individual rights and is very well done with sound philosophical and logical reasoning.


P.S. If I don't respond that fast my 16 year old dog fell down the stairs yesterday and she dislocated her leg, the Doctors put her under and got the leg back in place but she still is in pain and her back legs are hobbled, she is alright and doing fine just needs time to heal and I need to take care of her from time to time.

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on Oct 17, 2004
Bwahahahaha, 1 hour and 40 minutes have passed and yet still no response.
on Oct 17, 2004
I'm sorry to hear about your dog, Grim

For those of you who love/support Bush: Tell me how or what Bush is doing to protect the cause of Liberty!!



To be honest I can't think of one thing.
on Oct 17, 2004
I'm sorry to hear about your dog, Grim


She's doing alright just a change of pace for her but she is only hobbled for one week than we will see from there, she is also on pain medication.
No worries.

Anyways back on topic, I am also reading about Ayn Rand's view on property and will probably expound on this post further by incorporating the thoughts of individual rights and property as proposed from a consensus of philosophers and my own thoughts as well.
on Oct 17, 2004
I've always had an interest in the Libertarian Party, but I've seen discussions with a few Libertarians that gave me the feeling it was "too" radical. Perhaps they were on the fringe though because I'm not seeing anything unreasonable from any of the Libertarians here. I might give them another shot. They definitely are the only third-party of which I can think that I'd support.
on Oct 17, 2004
Well you will always have representatives of a political party that do not think or act like your typical party member.




on Oct 17, 2004
So why should I listen to you, Grim X?

Don't!


Maybe this is the only part they read, initially, and that's why they didn't resond?
on Oct 17, 2004
Maybe this is the only part they read, initially, and that's why they didn't resond?


That is because they hate to look outside of their tunnel vision and any reason no matter how small saying to do the contrary they will take immediately. In other words they will always take the easy way out.

on Oct 17, 2004
Or the easy way out via posting a snide comment, eh? ->myself

Unfortunately, I don't really qualify as either group of people that you ask to respond. Technically, I support Bush, as he is the Commander in Chief, and I am a soldier. As for what he has done to "protect Liberty"... there were recent elections in Afghanistan and will be elections next year in Iraq, In Sha' Allah. I think you were looking for something on the homefront, though...
on Oct 17, 2004
Well I guess we can count that for something, since it is an action that has defended Liberty albeit the Citizens of other countries, though we could argue over it being right of wrong, but you will not catch me saying it was wrong.

Okay I will count that as one thing (or two) that Bush has done to protect Liberty.
on Oct 17, 2004
For those of you who love/support Kerry: Tell me how or what Kerry is doing to protect the cause of Liberty!! Don't tell me anything about how Bush is going against Liberty, only tell me about Kerry.

For those of you who love/support Bush: Tell me how or what Bush is doing to protect the cause of Liberty!! Don't tell me anything about how Kerry is going against Liberty, only tell me about Bush.


This question assumes that people care about liberty; they don't. Yes, they say they do but words without action have no meaning.
on Oct 17, 2004
So why support them?

As for Bush, pseudosoldier has given one case.
As for Kerry I still have none.

Kerry 0 - Bush 1

on Oct 17, 2004
So why support them?

As for Bush, pseudosoldier has given one case.
As for Kerry I still have none.

Kerry 0 - Bush 1


Can you tell me what you mean by liberty?
on Oct 17, 2004
sandy2 - Did you even GLANCE at his article? Or was this just facetious?
on Oct 17, 2004
it was facetious... but I forgot to complete my thought. anyways.. to continue:

Kerry has stated that he is not in favor of the Patriot Act. HE is against the patriot act. How can you say that is not in favor of the liberty of the american people? HOW.
on Oct 17, 2004
Kerry has stated that he is not in favor of the Patriot Act


Well his vote speaks louder than his favor, and also he has stated we need stricter this and stricter that in National Security that also speaks against his favor as well does it not?

Not to mention last thing I heard from him was that we need to reform the Patriot Act but has not said how he will reform it.
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